Discussion:
Spamcop-top200 incomplete archives at Google
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Andrzej Adam Filip
2024-03-09 17:43:53 UTC
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Google removed the newest post from its archive:
https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
All posts are available at:
https://www.mail-archive.com/spamcop-***@googlegroups.com/

I refuse to see Google actions as *my* problem.
--
A. Filip
Scott Dorsey
2024-03-09 18:03:58 UTC
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Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
Removed? You DO realize that Google is no longer archiving Usenet or being
connected to Usenet in any way now, right?
Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
I refuse to see Google actions as *my* problem.
It's not a problem, it's a solution.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Andrzej Adam Filip
2024-03-09 19:16:45 UTC
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Post by Scott Dorsey
Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
Removed? You DO realize that Google is no longer archiving Usenet or being
connected to Usenet in any way now, right?
[…]
It was post to Google Groups.
--
A. Filip
The Doctor
2024-03-09 23:30:17 UTC
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Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
Post by Scott Dorsey
Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
Removed? You DO realize that Google is no longer archiving Usenet or being
connected to Usenet in any way now, right?
[
]
It was post to Google Groups.
And removed by google, yes?
Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
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Andrzej Adam Filip
2024-03-09 23:45:16 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
Post by Scott Dorsey
Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
Removed? You DO realize that Google is no longer archiving Usenet or being
connected to Usenet in any way now, right?
[…]
It was post to Google Groups.
And removed by google, yes?
<quote src="email">
We're letting you know that we've permanently removed the content at
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/spamcop-top200/_jUiGqsyFgU/07FwIxsgAAAJ

*Why did this happen?*

An external report flagged the content for illegal content or policy
violations. As a result, our legal content and policy standards team
removed the content for the following reason: *phishing*.

Learn more

You can learn more about our content policies and enforcement at our
help center.


What you can do next

You may have the option to pursue your claims in court. If you have
legal questions or wish to examine legal options that may be available
to you, you may want to consult with your own legal counsel.
</quote>
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A. Filip
The Doctor
2024-03-10 01:33:55 UTC
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Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
Post by The Doctor
Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
Post by Scott Dorsey
Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
Removed? You DO realize that Google is no longer archiving Usenet or being
connected to Usenet in any way now, right?
[ ]
It was post to Google Groups.
And removed by google, yes?
<quote src="email">
We're letting you know that we've permanently removed the content at
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/spamcop-top200/_jUiGqsyFgU/07FwIxsgAAAJ
*Why did this happen?*
An external report flagged the content for illegal content or policy
violations. As a result, our legal content and policy standards team
removed the content for the following reason: *phishing*.
Learn more
You can learn more about our content policies and enforcement at our
help center.
What you can do next
You may have the option to pursue your claims in court. If you have
legal questions or wish to examine legal options that may be available
to you, you may want to consult with your own legal counsel.
</quote>
I wonder who can be sued?
Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
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A. Filip
--
Member - Liberal International This is ***@nk.ca Ici ***@nk.ca
Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen
What worth the power of law that won't stop lawlessness? -unknown
The Doctor
2024-03-09 23:29:09 UTC
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Post by Scott Dorsey
Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
Removed? You DO realize that Google is no longer archiving Usenet or being
connected to Usenet in any way now, right?
The Google group in question is not usenet related.
Post by Scott Dorsey
Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
I refuse to see Google actions as *my* problem.
It's not a problem, it's a solution.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
--
Member - Liberal International This is ***@nk.ca Ici ***@nk.ca
Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen
What worth the power of law that won't stop lawlessness? -unknown
D
2024-03-09 18:48:56 UTC
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Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
I refuse to see Google actions as *my* problem.
this may be unrelated to what you are describing, but this was posted
to many usenet server-related newsgroups and has remained uncontested:
using 40tude dialog > edit > find a message-id > from server (servers
added to settings > servers, identities, signatures... > newsservers),
Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
Subject: <thai spam>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.security.virus
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 07:08:15 -0800 (PST)
Injection-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 15:08:15 +0000
22 february 2024 03:08:15 pm ut (000w00:00,00n00:00; jd 2460363.13073)
22 february 2024 10:08:15 am et (074w00:11,40n44:29; jd 2460363.13073)
22 february 2024 07:08:15 am pt (122w05:02,37n25:18; jd 2460363.13073)

pending further updates, it appears that google shut down their usenet
gateway shortly after 7 a.m. googleplex time thursday 22 february 2024
[end citation]

google groups is completely disconnected from usenet ... so why should
anyone reading in these usenet newsgroups browse a "ghost ship" server
whose legacy is that google became the worst spammer in global history?
The Doctor
2024-03-09 23:29:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by D
Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
I refuse to see Google actions as *my* problem.
this may be unrelated to what you are describing, but this was posted
using 40tude dialog > edit > find a message-id > from server (servers
added to settings > servers, identities, signatures... > newsservers),
Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
Subject: <thai spam>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.security.virus
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 07:08:15 -0800 (PST)
Injection-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 15:08:15 +0000
22 february 2024 03:08:15 pm ut (000w00:00,00n00:00; jd 2460363.13073)
22 february 2024 10:08:15 am et (074w00:11,40n44:29; jd 2460363.13073)
22 february 2024 07:08:15 am pt (122w05:02,37n25:18; jd 2460363.13073)
pending further updates, it appears that google shut down their usenet
gateway shortly after 7 a.m. googleplex time thursday 22 february 2024
[end citation]
google groups is completely disconnected from usenet ... so why should
anyone reading in these usenet newsgroups browse a "ghost ship" server
whose legacy is that google became the worst spammer in global history?
Gmail and GGroups!
--
Member - Liberal International This is ***@nk.ca Ici ***@nk.ca
Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen
What worth the power of law that won't stop lawlessness? -unknown
D
2024-03-10 00:17:18 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
Post by D
Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
I refuse to see Google actions as *my* problem.
this may be unrelated to what you are describing, but this was posted
using 40tude dialog > edit > find a message-id > from server (servers
added to settings > servers, identities, signatures... > newsservers),
Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
Subject: <thai spam>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.security.virus
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 07:08:15 -0800 (PST)
Injection-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 15:08:15 +0000
22 february 2024 03:08:15 pm ut (000w00:00,00n00:00; jd 2460363.13073)
22 february 2024 10:08:15 am et (074w00:11,40n44:29; jd 2460363.13073)
22 february 2024 07:08:15 am pt (122w05:02,37n25:18; jd 2460363.13073)
pending further updates, it appears that google shut down their usenet
gateway shortly after 7 a.m. googleplex time thursday 22 february 2024
[end citation]
google groups is completely disconnected from usenet ... so why should
anyone reading in these usenet newsgroups browse a "ghost ship" server
whose legacy is that google became the worst spammer in global history?
Gmail and GGroups!
i've never used email any more than necessary but i've read that
gmail is notoriously spammy . . . couldn't be nearly as horrible
as google groups was . . . could it? is gmail really that putrid?
Sn!pe
2024-03-10 00:50:25 UTC
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D <***@M> wrote:

[...]
Post by D
i've never used email any more than necessary but i've read that
gmail is notoriously spammy . . . couldn't be nearly as horrible
as google groups was . . . could it? is gmail really that putrid?
On the contrary, I find Gmail perfectly satisfactory, reliable and
99.9% spam free. I have several Gmail accounts in daily use.
--
^Ï^. Sn!pe, PA, FIBS - Professional Crastinator

My pet rock Gordon just is.
The Doctor
2024-03-10 01:34:30 UTC
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Post by Sn!pe
[...]
Post by D
i've never used email any more than necessary but i've read that
gmail is notoriously spammy . . . couldn't be nearly as horrible
as google groups was . . . could it? is gmail really that putrid?
On the contrary, I find Gmail perfectly satisfactory, reliable and
99.9% spam free. I have several Gmail accounts in daily use.
https://www.nk.ca/blog/index.php?/categories/14-Google-Spam
Post by Sn!pe
--
^Ï^. Sn!pe, PA, FIBS - Professional Crastinator
My pet rock Gordon just is.
--
Member - Liberal International This is ***@nk.ca Ici ***@nk.ca
Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen
What worth the power of law that won't stop lawlessness? -unknown
Sn!pe
2024-03-10 02:21:54 UTC
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Post by Sn!pe
[...]
Post by D
i've never used email any more than necessary but i've read that
gmail is notoriously spammy . . . couldn't be nearly as horrible
as google groups was . . . could it? is gmail really that putrid?
On the contrary, I find Gmail perfectly satisfactory, reliable and
99.9% spam free. I have several Gmail accounts in daily use.
<https://www.nk.ca/blog/index.php?/categories/14-Google-Spam>
I only report my own user experience; YMMV.
--
^Ï^. Sn!pe, PA, FIBS - Professional Crastinator

My pet rock Gordon just is.
The Doctor
2024-03-10 12:26:40 UTC
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Post by Sn!pe
Post by Sn!pe
[...]
Post by D
i've never used email any more than necessary but i've read that
gmail is notoriously spammy . . . couldn't be nearly as horrible
as google groups was . . . could it? is gmail really that putrid?
On the contrary, I find Gmail perfectly satisfactory, reliable and
99.9% spam free. I have several Gmail accounts in daily use.
<https://www.nk.ca/blog/index.php?/categories/14-Google-Spam>
I only report my own user experience; YMMV.
for me, gmail and ggroups are big spam sources.
Post by Sn!pe
--
^Ï^. Sn!pe, PA, FIBS - Professional Crastinator
My pet rock Gordon just is.
--
Member - Liberal International This is ***@nk.ca Ici ***@nk.ca
Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen
What worth the power of law that won't stop lawlessness? -unknown
Scott Dorsey
2024-03-10 15:45:41 UTC
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Post by Sn!pe
On the contrary, I find Gmail perfectly satisfactory, reliable and
99.9% spam free. I have several Gmail accounts in daily use.
Gmail is very good about filtering incoming spam, and reasonably okay
about filtering outgoing spam. There is still a good bit of spam from
gmail, but considering how many users they have it's not very much at
all.

Gmail is actually attended... there are armies of people behind the
scenes fine-tuning things and watching things. Google Groups is not
this way.

Gmail is actually a revenue source for Google, although they do offer
a whole lot of free accounts. Because it is a revenue source they take
good care of it.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
D
2024-03-10 16:26:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by Scott Dorsey
there are armies
multi facti sunt
Andrzej Adam Filip
2024-03-10 16:47:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Scott Dorsey
Post by Sn!pe
On the contrary, I find Gmail perfectly satisfactory, reliable and
99.9% spam free. I have several Gmail accounts in daily use.
Gmail is very good about filtering incoming spam, and reasonably okay
about filtering outgoing spam. There is still a good bit of spam from
gmail, but considering how many users they have it's not very much at
all.
Gmail is actually attended... there are armies of people behind the
scenes fine-tuning things and watching things. Google Groups is not
this way.
Gmail is actually a revenue source for Google, although they do offer
a whole lot of free accounts. Because it is a revenue source they take
good care of it.
--scott
Google-good care may seem quite unlike good care IMHO.
--
A. Filip
Randolf Richardson 張文道
2024-03-11 00:26:30 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 01:17:18 +0100 (CET)
Post by D
Post by The Doctor
Post by D
Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
I refuse to see Google actions as *my* problem.
this may be unrelated to what you are describing, but this was posted
using 40tude dialog > edit > find a message-id > from server (servers
added to settings > servers, identities, signatures... > newsservers),
Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
Subject: <thai spam>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.security.virus
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 07:08:15 -0800 (PST)
Injection-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 15:08:15 +0000
22 february 2024 03:08:15 pm ut (000w00:00,00n00:00; jd 2460363.13073)
22 february 2024 10:08:15 am et (074w00:11,40n44:29; jd 2460363.13073)
22 february 2024 07:08:15 am pt (122w05:02,37n25:18; jd 2460363.13073)
pending further updates, it appears that google shut down their usenet
gateway shortly after 7 a.m. googleplex time thursday 22 february 2024
[end citation]
google groups is completely disconnected from usenet ... so why should
anyone reading in these usenet newsgroups browse a "ghost ship" server
whose legacy is that google became the worst spammer in global history?
Gmail and GGroups!
i've never used email any more than necessary but i've read that
gmail is notoriously spammy . . . couldn't be nearly as horrible
as google groups was . . . could it? is gmail really that putrid?
GMail users who aren't accustomed to checking the
junk folder for legitimate eMail sometimes complain
to senders that they never received the eMail that
was sent to them. It's a strategy that many free
webmail providers use to claim a spam-free inbox,
but it comes at the cost of junking legitimate
messages from senders who haven't been whitelisted
(which may also serve as an example of how a pure
technology-based anti-spam solution can't solve a
human problem, at least not entirely).

GMail also has many users who send spam, and on a
daily basis some of them also try to sell (whatever
it is they claim to be selling) to our spamtraps as
well as our users. The volume of spam received
also varies from one user to the next (ditto for
spamtraps). Google has a vast user base, so it's
certainly a significant challenge.
--
Randolf Richardson 張文道, CNA - ***@inter-corporate.com
Inter-Corporate Computer & Network Services, Inc.
Beautiful British Columbia, Canada
https://www.inter-corporate.com/
The Doctor
2024-03-11 02:58:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by Randolf Richardson 張文道
On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 01:17:18 +0100 (CET)
Post by D
Post by The Doctor
Post by D
Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
I refuse to see Google actions as *my* problem.
this may be unrelated to what you are describing, but this was posted
using 40tude dialog > edit > find a message-id > from server (servers
added to settings > servers, identities, signatures... > newsservers),
Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
Subject: <thai spam>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.security.virus
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 07:08:15 -0800 (PST)
Injection-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 15:08:15 +0000
22 february 2024 03:08:15 pm ut (000w00:00,00n00:00; jd 2460363.13073)
22 february 2024 10:08:15 am et (074w00:11,40n44:29; jd 2460363.13073)
22 february 2024 07:08:15 am pt (122w05:02,37n25:18; jd 2460363.13073)
pending further updates, it appears that google shut down their usenet
gateway shortly after 7 a.m. googleplex time thursday 22 february 2024
[end citation]
google groups is completely disconnected from usenet ... so why should
anyone reading in these usenet newsgroups browse a "ghost ship" server
whose legacy is that google became the worst spammer in global history?
Gmail and GGroups!
i've never used email any more than necessary but i've read that
gmail is notoriously spammy . . . couldn't be nearly as horrible
as google groups was . . . could it? is gmail really that putrid?
GMail users who aren't accustomed to checking the
junk folder for legitimate eMail sometimes complain
to senders that they never received the eMail that
was sent to them. It's a strategy that many free
webmail providers use to claim a spam-free inbox,
but it comes at the cost of junking legitimate
messages from senders who haven't been whitelisted
(which may also serve as an example of how a pure
technology-based anti-spam solution can't solve a
human problem, at least not entirely).
GMail also has many users who send spam, and on a
daily basis some of them also try to sell (whatever
it is they claim to be selling) to our spamtraps as
well as our users. The volume of spam received
also varies from one user to the next (ditto for
spamtraps). Google has a vast user base, so it's
certainly a significant challenge.
You can track Gmail spam at

https://www.nk.ca/blog/index.php?/categories/14-Google-Spam
Post by Randolf Richardson 張文道
--
Inter-Corporate Computer & Network Services, Inc.
Beautiful British Columbia, Canada
https://www.inter-corporate.com/
--
Member - Liberal International This is ***@nk.ca Ici ***@nk.ca
Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen
What worth the power of law that won't stop lawlessness? -unknown
Randolf Richardson 張文道
2024-03-11 04:35:51 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 02:58:17 -0000 (UTC)
Post by The Doctor
Post by Randolf Richardson 張文道
On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 01:17:18 +0100 (CET)
Post by D
Post by The Doctor
Post by D
Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
I refuse to see Google actions as *my* problem.
this may be unrelated to what you are describing, but this was posted
using 40tude dialog > edit > find a message-id > from server (servers
added to settings > servers, identities, signatures... > newsservers),
Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
Subject: <thai spam>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.security.virus
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 07:08:15 -0800 (PST)
Injection-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 15:08:15 +0000
22 february 2024 03:08:15 pm ut (000w00:00,00n00:00; jd 2460363.13073)
22 february 2024 10:08:15 am et (074w00:11,40n44:29; jd 2460363.13073)
22 february 2024 07:08:15 am pt (122w05:02,37n25:18; jd 2460363.13073)
pending further updates, it appears that google shut down their usenet
gateway shortly after 7 a.m. googleplex time thursday 22 february 2024
[end citation]
google groups is completely disconnected from usenet ... so why should
anyone reading in these usenet newsgroups browse a "ghost ship" server
whose legacy is that google became the worst spammer in global history?
Gmail and GGroups!
i've never used email any more than necessary but i've read that
gmail is notoriously spammy . . . couldn't be nearly as horrible
as google groups was . . . could it? is gmail really that putrid?
GMail users who aren't accustomed to checking the
junk folder for legitimate eMail sometimes complain
to senders that they never received the eMail that
was sent to them. It's a strategy that many free
webmail providers use to claim a spam-free inbox,
but it comes at the cost of junking legitimate
messages from senders who haven't been whitelisted
(which may also serve as an example of how a pure
technology-based anti-spam solution can't solve a
human problem, at least not entirely).
GMail also has many users who send spam, and on a
daily basis some of them also try to sell (whatever
it is they claim to be selling) to our spamtraps as
well as our users. The volume of spam received
also varies from one user to the next (ditto for
spamtraps). Google has a vast user base, so it's
certainly a significant challenge.
You can track Gmail spam at
https://www.nk.ca/blog/index.php?/categories/14-Google-Spam
That looks similar to what we've been seeing.

The page is confusing to look at because
the headers is double-spaced, although it is
still readable.

Is that data published in a database format
of some sort, such as CSV or BIND DNS zone?
--
Randolf Richardson 張文道, CNA - ***@inter-corporate.com
Inter-Corporate Computer & Network Services, Inc.
Beautiful British Columbia, Canada
https://www.inter-corporate.com/
The Doctor
2024-03-11 05:34:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by Randolf Richardson 張文道
On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 02:58:17 -0000 (UTC)
Post by The Doctor
Post by Randolf Richardson 張文道
On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 01:17:18 +0100 (CET)
Post by D
Post by The Doctor
On Sat, 09 Mar 2024 18:43:53 +0100, Andrzej Adam Filip
Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
I refuse to see Google actions as *my* problem.
this may be unrelated to what you are describing, but this was posted
using 40tude dialog > edit > find a message-id > from server (servers
added to settings > servers, identities, signatures... > newsservers),
Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
Subject: <thai spam>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.security.virus
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 07:08:15 -0800 (PST)
Injection-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 15:08:15 +0000
22 february 2024 03:08:15 pm ut (000w00:00,00n00:00; jd 2460363.13073)
22 february 2024 10:08:15 am et (074w00:11,40n44:29; jd 2460363.13073)
22 february 2024 07:08:15 am pt (122w05:02,37n25:18; jd 2460363.13073)
pending further updates, it appears that google shut down their usenet
gateway shortly after 7 a.m. googleplex time thursday 22 february 2024
[end citation]
google groups is completely disconnected from usenet ... so why should
anyone reading in these usenet newsgroups browse a "ghost ship" server
whose legacy is that google became the worst spammer in global history?
Gmail and GGroups!
i've never used email any more than necessary but i've read that
gmail is notoriously spammy . . . couldn't be nearly as horrible
as google groups was . . . could it? is gmail really that putrid?
GMail users who aren't accustomed to checking the
junk folder for legitimate eMail sometimes complain
to senders that they never received the eMail that
was sent to them. It's a strategy that many free
webmail providers use to claim a spam-free inbox,
but it comes at the cost of junking legitimate
messages from senders who haven't been whitelisted
(which may also serve as an example of how a pure
technology-based anti-spam solution can't solve a
human problem, at least not entirely).
GMail also has many users who send spam, and on a
daily basis some of them also try to sell (whatever
it is they claim to be selling) to our spamtraps as
well as our users. The volume of spam received
also varies from one user to the next (ditto for
spamtraps). Google has a vast user base, so it's
certainly a significant challenge.
You can track Gmail spam at
https://www.nk.ca/blog/index.php?/categories/14-Google-Spam
That looks similar to what we've been seeing.
The page is confusing to look at because
the headers is double-spaced, although it is
still readable.
Is that data published in a database format
of some sort, such as CSV or BIND DNS zone?
Just raw text cut and paste.
Post by Randolf Richardson 張文道
--
Inter-Corporate Computer & Network Services, Inc.
Beautiful British Columbia, Canada
https://www.inter-corporate.com/
--
Member - Liberal International This is ***@nk.ca Ici ***@nk.ca
Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen
What worth the power of law that won't stop lawlessness? -unknown
Randolf Richardson 張文道
2024-04-10 20:48:50 UTC
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On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 05:34:48 -0000 (UTC)
Post by The Doctor
Post by Randolf Richardson 張文道
On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 02:58:17 -0000 (UTC)
Post by The Doctor
Post by Randolf Richardson 張文道
On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 01:17:18 +0100 (CET)
Post by D
Post by The Doctor
On Sat, 09 Mar 2024 18:43:53 +0100, Andrzej Adam Filip
Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
I refuse to see Google actions as *my* problem.
this may be unrelated to what you are describing, but this was posted
using 40tude dialog > edit > find a message-id > from server (servers
added to settings > servers, identities, signatures... > newsservers),
Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
Subject: <thai spam>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.security.virus
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 07:08:15 -0800 (PST)
Injection-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 15:08:15 +0000
22 february 2024 03:08:15 pm ut (000w00:00,00n00:00; jd 2460363.13073)
22 february 2024 10:08:15 am et (074w00:11,40n44:29; jd 2460363.13073)
22 february 2024 07:08:15 am pt (122w05:02,37n25:18; jd 2460363.13073)
pending further updates, it appears that google shut down their usenet
gateway shortly after 7 a.m. googleplex time thursday 22 february 2024
[end citation]
google groups is completely disconnected from usenet ... so why should
anyone reading in these usenet newsgroups browse a "ghost ship" server
whose legacy is that google became the worst spammer in global history?
Gmail and GGroups!
i've never used email any more than necessary but i've read that
gmail is notoriously spammy . . . couldn't be nearly as horrible
as google groups was . . . could it? is gmail really that putrid?
GMail users who aren't accustomed to checking the
junk folder for legitimate eMail sometimes complain
to senders that they never received the eMail that
was sent to them. It's a strategy that many free
webmail providers use to claim a spam-free inbox,
but it comes at the cost of junking legitimate
messages from senders who haven't been whitelisted
(which may also serve as an example of how a pure
technology-based anti-spam solution can't solve a
human problem, at least not entirely).
GMail also has many users who send spam, and on a
daily basis some of them also try to sell (whatever
it is they claim to be selling) to our spamtraps as
well as our users. The volume of spam received
also varies from one user to the next (ditto for
spamtraps). Google has a vast user base, so it's
certainly a significant challenge.
You can track Gmail spam at
https://www.nk.ca/blog/index.php?/categories/14-Google-Spam
That looks similar to what we've been seeing.
The page is confusing to look at because
the headers is double-spaced, although it is
still readable.
Is that data published in a database format
of some sort, such as CSV or BIND DNS zone?
Just raw text cut and paste.
Okay. Thanks!
--
Randolf Richardson 張文道, CNA - ***@inter-corporate.com
Inter-Corporate Computer & Network Services, Inc.
Beautiful British Columbia, Canada
https://www.inter-corporate.com/
The Doctor
2024-04-10 23:24:44 UTC
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Post by Randolf Richardson 張文道
On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 05:34:48 -0000 (UTC)
Post by The Doctor
Post by Randolf Richardson 張文道
On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 02:58:17 -0000 (UTC)
Post by The Doctor
Post by Randolf Richardson 張文道
On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 01:17:18 +0100 (CET)
Post by D
Post by The Doctor
On Sat, 09 Mar 2024 18:43:53 +0100, Andrzej Adam Filip
Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
I refuse to see Google actions as *my* problem.
this may be unrelated to what you are describing, but this was posted
using 40tude dialog > edit > find a message-id > from server (servers
added to settings > servers, identities, signatures... > newsservers),
Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
Subject: <thai spam>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.security.virus
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 07:08:15 -0800 (PST)
Injection-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 15:08:15 +0000
22 february 2024 03:08:15 pm ut (000w00:00,00n00:00; jd 2460363.13073)
22 february 2024 10:08:15 am et (074w00:11,40n44:29; jd 2460363.13073)
22 february 2024 07:08:15 am pt (122w05:02,37n25:18; jd 2460363.13073)
pending further updates, it appears that google shut down their usenet
gateway shortly after 7 a.m. googleplex time thursday 22 february 2024
[end citation]
google groups is completely disconnected from usenet ... so why should
anyone reading in these usenet newsgroups browse a "ghost ship" server
whose legacy is that google became the worst spammer in global
history?
Post by The Doctor
Post by Randolf Richardson 張文道
Post by The Doctor
Post by Randolf Richardson 張文道
Post by D
Post by The Doctor
Gmail and GGroups!
i've never used email any more than necessary but i've read that
gmail is notoriously spammy . . . couldn't be nearly as horrible
as google groups was . . . could it? is gmail really that putrid?
GMail users who aren't accustomed to checking the
junk folder for legitimate eMail sometimes complain
to senders that they never received the eMail that
was sent to them. It's a strategy that many free
webmail providers use to claim a spam-free inbox,
but it comes at the cost of junking legitimate
messages from senders who haven't been whitelisted
(which may also serve as an example of how a pure
technology-based anti-spam solution can't solve a
human problem, at least not entirely).
GMail also has many users who send spam, and on a
daily basis some of them also try to sell (whatever
it is they claim to be selling) to our spamtraps as
well as our users. The volume of spam received
also varies from one user to the next (ditto for
spamtraps). Google has a vast user base, so it's
certainly a significant challenge.
You can track Gmail spam at
https://www.nk.ca/blog/index.php?/categories/14-Google-Spam
That looks similar to what we've been seeing.
The page is confusing to look at because
the headers is double-spaced, although it is
still readable.
Is that data published in a database format
of some sort, such as CSV or BIND DNS zone?
Just raw text cut and paste.
Okay. Thanks!
And more coming in daily.
Post by Randolf Richardson 張文道
--
Inter-Corporate Computer & Network Services, Inc.
Beautiful British Columbia, Canada
https://www.inter-corporate.com/
--
Member - Liberal International This is ***@nk.ca Ici ***@nk.ca
Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
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Randolf Richardson 張文道
2024-06-28 02:34:21 UTC
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On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 23:24:44 -0000 (UTC)
Post by The Doctor
Post by Randolf Richardson 張文道
On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 05:34:48 -0000 (UTC)
Post by The Doctor
Post by Randolf Richardson 張文道
On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 02:58:17 -0000 (UTC)
Post by The Doctor
Post by Randolf Richardson 張文道
On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 01:17:18 +0100 (CET)
Post by D
Post by The Doctor
On Sat, 09 Mar 2024 18:43:53 +0100, Andrzej Adam Filip
Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
I refuse to see Google actions as *my* problem.
this may be unrelated to what you are describing, but this was posted
using 40tude dialog > edit > find a message-id > from server (servers
added to settings > servers, identities, signatures... > newsservers),
Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
Subject: <thai spam>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.security.virus
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 07:08:15 -0800 (PST)
Injection-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 15:08:15 +0000
22 february 2024 03:08:15 pm ut (000w00:00,00n00:00; jd 2460363.13073)
22 february 2024 10:08:15 am et (074w00:11,40n44:29; jd 2460363.13073)
22 february 2024 07:08:15 am pt (122w05:02,37n25:18; jd 2460363.13073)
pending further updates, it appears that google shut down their usenet
gateway shortly after 7 a.m. googleplex time thursday 22 february 2024
[end citation]
google groups is completely disconnected from usenet ... so why should
anyone reading in these usenet newsgroups browse a "ghost ship" server
whose legacy is that google became the worst spammer in global
history?
Post by The Doctor
Post by Randolf Richardson 張文道
Post by The Doctor
Post by Randolf Richardson 張文道
Post by D
Post by The Doctor
Gmail and GGroups!
i've never used email any more than necessary but i've read that
gmail is notoriously spammy . . . couldn't be nearly as horrible
as google groups was . . . could it? is gmail really that putrid?
GMail users who aren't accustomed to checking the
junk folder for legitimate eMail sometimes complain
to senders that they never received the eMail that
was sent to them. It's a strategy that many free
webmail providers use to claim a spam-free inbox,
but it comes at the cost of junking legitimate
messages from senders who haven't been whitelisted
(which may also serve as an example of how a pure
technology-based anti-spam solution can't solve a
human problem, at least not entirely).
GMail also has many users who send spam, and on a
daily basis some of them also try to sell (whatever
it is they claim to be selling) to our spamtraps as
well as our users. The volume of spam received
also varies from one user to the next (ditto for
spamtraps). Google has a vast user base, so it's
certainly a significant challenge.
You can track Gmail spam at
https://www.nk.ca/blog/index.php?/categories/14-Google-Spam
That looks similar to what we've been seeing.
The page is confusing to look at because
the headers is double-spaced, although it is
still readable.
Is that data published in a database format
of some sort, such as CSV or BIND DNS zone?
Just raw text cut and paste.
Okay. Thanks!
And more coming in daily.
Please see David Ritz' commentary (also in this thread), as he
has provided an excellent explanation of the problem, and also
provided a suggestion for remedying the formatting problems.
--
Randolf Richardson 張文道, CNA - ***@inter-corporate.com
Inter-Corporate Computer & Network Services, Inc.
Beautiful British Columbia, Canada
https://www.inter-corporate.com/
David Ritz
2024-04-26 20:09:58 UTC
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On Monday, 11 March 2024 05:34 -0000,
Post by The Doctor
Post by Randolf Richardson 張文道
On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 02:58:17 -0000 (UTC)
[mercy snip]
Post by The Doctor
Post by Randolf Richardson 張文道
Post by The Doctor
You can track Gmail spam at
https://www.nk.ca/blog/index.php?/categories/14-Google-Spam
<aside>
Nice of Dave to remind us of his propensity for spamming, although
he's no longer reposting spam, as was his wont, when it was
originated via Gargoyle Gropes.
</aside>
Post by The Doctor
Post by Randolf Richardson 張文道
That looks similar to what we've been seeing.
The page is confusing to look at because the headers is
double-spaced, although it is still readable.
Is that data published in a database format of some sort, such as
CSV or BIND DNS zone?
Just raw text cut and paste.
Dave, what is displayed, on your NetKnow blog, is something quite
other than raw plain text. It was likely plain text, when you
received the emails in question. It no longer is.

First, I highly suspect you did not just cut and paste, with the first
error being the mistaking of the concept of cut (^x), with copy (^c).
I'd give odds that the original email text was not eviscerated, rather
that the text in question was copied.

While you may very well has pasted the text, into whatever you might
be using for website management, it was no longer plain text when you
did so. Your text was HTMLized, which significantly modified how it
was displayed, regardless how what sort of web browser, CLI or GUI,
may have been used to read your page. The HTMLization turns the
formerly plain text into a barely readable mishmash or word salad.

Email and Usenet header lines all begin with an uppercase alphabetic
character, without fail, showing the header description. When a
header requires more than one line, the remaining lines begin with
white space. This is because, this is how headers are defined in
RFC822 and all its successors. What you refer to as header, on your
blog, show leading lower case characters and show no leading white
space, as expected.

While Mr. Richardson refers to double spacing in the headers, this
artifact will only display in a GUI web browser, as CLI browsers, such
as Lynx, will only single space the shortened header lines, all of
which have been jammed up against the left border, inline with the
header descriptions. While not double spaced, it is still garbled to
the cusp of intelligibility.

The double spacing, which is clearly visible when using a GUI web
browser, as does the vast majority of Internet users, comes from
before the history of computing. The terms, "line feed" (LF) and
carriage return (CR) are borrowed from teletype and Linotype
operation. For this discussion, see how computers indicate a newline,
in ASCII text. (<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newline>)

POSIX standard oriented systems use <LF>, where Microsoft uses <CRLF>
and Classic Mac used <CR>. It seems when GUI web browsers interpret
the POSIX <LF> in HTML, they add the <CR>, which creates a blank line,
where there was none. Sadly, this makes your COPY and paste even more
difficult to interpret.

Fortunately, there is a way of doing what you're attempting, without
any HTMLizing of the pasted plain text, by inserting the copied text
into a plain text block, within the HTML. Do note, this will restore
the full line lengths, as they were received, which may interfere with
the links displayed to the right in a GUI browser, along with a
seemingly never-ending series of serendipity errors. This may have
the added advantage of displaying the text block in a monospaced font.

While you, Dave, may be able to track Gmail spam using your website, I
suspect that would leave you in a distinct minority.

HTH HAND

- --
David Ritz <***@mindspring.com>
Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.
The Doctor
2024-03-09 23:28:25 UTC
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Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
I refuse to see Google actions as *my* problem.
I wonder if it exposes Google as a top host for spammers.
Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
--
A. Filip
--
Member - Liberal International This is ***@nk.ca Ici ***@nk.ca
Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen
What worth the power of law that won't stop lawlessness? -unknown
tjoen
2024-03-10 09:47:53 UTC
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Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
Question is: bug or malice
Andrzej Adam Filip
2024-03-10 10:50:28 UTC
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Post by tjoen
Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
Question is: bug or malice
Can't it be "We don't care" attitude? I personally perceive it mostly
as incompetence and arrogance of "Too Big to Fall" class.

I find Google practices unfit for me quite frequently.
I merely means that I am not theirs target group
and I accept it *fully* .
--
A. Filip
The Doctor
2024-03-10 12:27:13 UTC
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Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
Post by tjoen
Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
Question is: bug or malice
Can't it be "We don't care" attitude? I personally perceive it mostly
as incompetence and arrogance of "Too Big to Fall" class.
I find Google practices unfit for me quite frequently.
I merely means that I am not theirs target group
and I accept it *fully* .
WE don't care to be caught, moreso!
Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
--
A. Filip
--
Member - Liberal International This is ***@nk.ca Ici ***@nk.ca
Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen
What worth the power of law that won't stop lawlessness? -unknown
The Doctor
2024-03-10 12:26:08 UTC
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Post by tjoen
Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
Question is: bug or malice
methinks malice!
--
Member - Liberal International This is ***@nk.ca Ici ***@nk.ca
Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen
What worth the power of law that won't stop lawlessness? -unknown
D
2024-03-10 14:40:44 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
Post by tjoen
Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
Question is: bug or malice
methinks malice!
psyops, pernicious, baneful, pestilent, them
Randolf Richardson 張文道
2024-03-11 00:14:49 UTC
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On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 10:47:53 +0100
Post by tjoen
Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
Question is: bug or malice
I recall reading that Google won't be archiving new
postings after pulling out from Usenet. I suspect
they see Usenet as a dying technology that's being
abused by a lot of spammers.

I like the Usenet technology. Sure, it would be
great to have some additional features to prevent
forgeries and deal with abusive posters, but
overall I think Google is ultimately sacrificing
long-term name brand recognition by pulling out of
Usenet, and I suspect their Google Groups platform
could suffer too since it's pretty basic compared
to the offerings of many web-based forums.
--
Randolf Richardson 張文道, CNA - ***@inter-corporate.com
Inter-Corporate Computer & Network Services, Inc.
Beautiful British Columbia, Canada
https://www.inter-corporate.com/
The Doctor
2024-03-11 02:56:58 UTC
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Post by Randolf Richardson 張文道
On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 10:47:53 +0100
Post by tjoen
Post by Andrzej Adam Filip
https://groups.google.com/g/spamcop-top200
Question is: bug or malice
I recall reading that Google won't be archiving new
postings after pulling out from Usenet. I suspect
they see Usenet as a dying technology that's being
abused by a lot of spammers.
correction, they let the spammers in and could not barracade thm!
Post by Randolf Richardson 張文道
I like the Usenet technology. Sure, it would be
great to have some additional features to prevent
forgeries and deal with abusive posters, but
overall I think Google is ultimately sacrificing
long-term name brand recognition by pulling out of
Usenet, and I suspect their Google Groups platform
could suffer too since it's pretty basic compared
to the offerings of many web-based forums.
--
Inter-Corporate Computer & Network Services, Inc.
Beautiful British Columbia, Canada
https://www.inter-corporate.com/
--
Member - Liberal International This is ***@nk.ca Ici ***@nk.ca
Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen
What worth the power of law that won't stop lawlessness? -unknown
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