Spamhaus slams Gmail and other e-mailing lists services for spamming

[The Doctor]

This morning, I saw my SMTP server showing logs that spamhaus blocked google
gmail and other mailing lists for spamming.

I have no sympathy for cretins.

[Marco Moock]

Post by The Doctor
This morning, I saw my SMTP server showing logs that spamhaus blocked
google gmail and other mailing lists for spamming.
I have no sympathy for cretins.

It is just consequent what they are doing.

Google doesn't care about abuse (or intentionally allows them) from
their services. Remember when Google Groups was connected to Usenet?
Remember the flood where the shitheads from Google did nothing for
months?

The same applies for other services like GMail. Spammers know that and
they know that many legitimate people use it, so admins can't simply
block it.

If Google doesn't want that, they have to care about the abusers using
their services and annoying other people.

[D]

Post by Marco Moock

Post by The Doctor
This morning, I saw my SMTP server showing logs that spamhaus blocked
google gmail and other mailing lists for spamming.
I have no sympathy for cretins.

It is just consequent what they are doing.
Google doesn't care about abuse (or intentionally allows them) from
their services. Remember when Google Groups was connected to Usenet?
Remember the flood where the shitheads from Google did nothing for
months?
The same applies for other services like GMail. Spammers know that and
they know that many legitimate people use it, so admins can't simply
block it.
If Google doesn't want that, they have to care about the abusers using
their services and annoying other people.

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[The Doctor]

Post by Marco Moock

Post by The Doctor
This morning, I saw my SMTP server showing logs that spamhaus blocked
google gmail and other mailing lists for spamming.
I have no sympathy for cretins.

It is just consequent what they are doing.
Google doesn't care about abuse (or intentionally allows them) from
their services. Remember when Google Groups was connected to Usenet?
Remember the flood where the shitheads from Google did nothing for
months?
The same applies for other services like GMail. Spammers know that and
they know that many legitimate people use it, so admins can't simply
block it.
If Google doesn't want that, they have to care about the abusers using
their services and annoying other people.

I hope spamcop block them as well.

Post by Marco Moock
--
kind regards
Marco

[Sam]

Post by The Doctor
This morning, I saw my SMTP server showing logs that spamhaus blocked google
gmail and other mailing lists for spamming.
I have no sympathy for cretins.

Which cretins would that be?

My first reaction was "spamhaus" who?

Spamhaus hasn't been relevant in, oh I don't know how long. I heard their
original mission statement was to block prolific spam sources. That was just
a rumor. When I used them, I tried very hard to find any evidence of that
actually happening. I couldn't. Again, again, and again I saw massive
spewage, spewage that just cannot be unnoticed, continue unabated.

I was told that Spamhaus preferred to work with the spamhosters. Make them
see the error of their ways. Give them all the time in the world to see the
error of their ways. Blah, blah, blah.

I had no idea they were still around. I thought they were practically gone,
relegated to some checkmark on a flashy ad for low-level "mail server in a
box" appliances.

The Spamhaus that I knew would never blacklist Gmail. I'm afraid it's too
late. Nobody cares about this, any more. The email landscape had shifted
over the last couple of decades. It's a brand new world, now.

[Marco Moock]

Post by Sam
The Spamhaus that I knew would never blacklist Gmail. I'm afraid it's
too late. Nobody cares about this, any more. The email landscape had
shifted over the last couple of decades. It's a brand new world, now.

Well, many sites switched to MS or Google, but there are still people
who operate their own server and some of them use Spamhaus, including
me.

[The Doctor]

Post by Marco Moock

Post by Sam
The Spamhaus that I knew would never blacklist Gmail. I'm afraid it's
too late. Nobody cares about this, any more. The email landscape had
shifted over the last couple of decades. It's a brand new world, now.

Well, many sites switched to MS or Google, but there are still people
who operate their own server and some of them use Spamhaus, including
me.

I do too!

Post by Marco Moock
--
kind regards
Marco

[The Doctor]

Post by Sam

Post by The Doctor
This morning, I saw my SMTP server showing logs that spamhaus blocked google
gmail and other mailing lists for spamming.
I have no sympathy for cretins.

Which cretins would that be?
My first reaction was "spamhaus" who?
Spamhaus hasn't been relevant in, oh I don't know how long. I heard their
original mission statement was to block prolific spam sources. That was just
a rumor. When I used them, I tried very hard to find any evidence of that
actually happening. I couldn't. Again, again, and again I saw massive
spewage, spewage that just cannot be unnoticed, continue unabated.
I was told that Spamhaus preferred to work with the spamhosters. Make them
see the error of their ways. Give them all the time in the world to see the
error of their ways. Blah, blah, blah.
I had no idea they were still around. I thought they were practically gone,
relegated to some checkmark on a flashy ad for low-level "mail server in a
box" appliances.
The Spamhaus that I knew would never blacklist Gmail. I'm afraid it's too
late. Nobody cares about this, any more. The email landscape had shifted
over the last couple of decades. It's a brand new world, now.

WEll, spamhaus is still kicking!

[John Levine]

Post by The Doctor
This morning, I saw my SMTP server showing logs that spamhaus blocked google
gmail and other mailing lists for spamming.

You need better logs, because no, they didn't do that.

[Scott Dorsey]

Post by The Doctor
This morning, I saw my SMTP server showing logs that spamhaus blocked google
gmail and other mailing lists for spamming.
I have no sympathy for cretins.

This morning I saw eight spam messages from google, so perhaps I agree
spamhaus with believing that possibly google could do more about their
spamming customers.
--scott

[Grant Taylor]

Post by Scott Dorsey
This morning I saw eight spam messages from google, so perhaps I
agree spamhaus with believing that possibly google could do more
about their spamming customers.

I assume we can all agree that we want Gmail, Yahoo, and Microsoft to do
a better job at controlling the sewage leak from their networks.

That being said, one page I'm looking at says that "Gmail has over 1.8
million users worldwide as of 2024."

Playing with the math, if they block 99.9% of the crap that comes out of
their network, that's still 1.8 thousand users worth of crap.

How hard is it for a university (that is still hosting their own email)
to get 99.9% of crap filtered outbound (or even inbound).

IMHO the email oligarchs are so big that even if they do orders of
magnitude better at filtering than we do, they will still produce orders
of magnitude more crap than we do.

The same page says "More than 121 billion emails are sent every day
through Gmail." Those numbers are approaching five orders of magnitude
bigger numbers than listed above.

I'm not a Google apologist. I've been anti-Google for a LONG time. But
the numbers just aren't in anyone's favor that's trying to stem the tide
of crap coming from Google.

[John Levine]

Post by Grant Taylor
That being said, one page I'm looking at says that "Gmail has over 1.8
million users worldwide as of 2024."

That's off by three orders of magnitude. It's more like 1.8 billion
which means a million spammers would be under 0.l%.

I am no happier than anyone else at the constant stream of spam I
get from throwaway Gmail accounts pitching sleazy SEO or virtual
assistants or whatever, but I also realize they have vast numbers
of real users.

But since Spamhaus has not in fact listed Gmail, why are we having
this conversation? The guy who posted the first message has, uh,
a well known active imagination.

[The Doctor]

Post by John Levine

Post by Grant Taylor
That being said, one page I'm looking at says that "Gmail has over 1.8
million users worldwide as of 2024."

That's off by three orders of magnitude. It's more like 1.8 billion
which means a million spammers would be under 0.l%.
I am no happier than anyone else at the constant stream of spam I
get from throwaway Gmail accounts pitching sleazy SEO or virtual
assistants or whatever, but I also realize they have vast numbers
of real users.
But since Spamhaus has not in fact listed Gmail, why are we having
this conversation? The guy who posted the first message has, uh,
a well known active imagination.

https://www.nk.ca/blog/index.php?/categories/14-Google-Spam

Post by John Levine
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[John Levine]

Post by The Doctor

Post by John Levine
But since Spamhaus has not in fact listed Gmail, why are we having
this conversation? The guy who posted the first message has, uh,
a well known active imagination.

https://www.nk.ca/blog/index.php?/categories/14-Google-Spam

Um, check that Google address and it's not listed. You really
need to fix whatever you're using to look up IP addresses:

https://check.spamhaus.org/results/?query=209.85.218.66

Any chance you're using a public resolver like 8.8.8.8 or 1.1.1.1?
As I'd hope everyone here knows, that doesn't work.

[The Doctor]

Post by Grant Taylor

Post by Scott Dorsey
This morning I saw eight spam messages from google, so perhaps I
agree spamhaus with believing that possibly google could do more
about their spamming customers.

I assume we can all agree that we want Gmail, Yahoo, and Microsoft to do
a better job at controlling the sewage leak from their networks.
That being said, one page I'm looking at says that "Gmail has over 1.8
million users worldwide as of 2024."
Playing with the math, if they block 99.9% of the crap that comes out of
their network, that's still 1.8 thousand users worth of crap.
How hard is it for a university (that is still hosting their own email)
to get 99.9% of crap filtered outbound (or even inbound).
IMHO the email oligarchs are so big that even if they do orders of
magnitude better at filtering than we do, they will still produce orders
of magnitude more crap than we do.
The same page says "More than 121 billion emails are sent every day
through Gmail." Those numbers are approaching five orders of magnitude
bigger numbers than listed above.
I'm not a Google apologist. I've been anti-Google for a LONG time. But
the numbers just aren't in anyone's favor that's trying to stem the tide
of crap coming from Google.

Well the proof is in the spam.

Post by Grant Taylor
--
Grant. . . .